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Anamater
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Posted - 04/25/2007 :  06:50:16  Show Profile  Visit Anamater's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
While my credentials mean little to most of you, I do know what happens. Whether or not you believe me is up to you.

The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which cannot be committed until the end of the world. However there are two sins that must be forgiven after death, and they must be forgiven by your victims as well as God. These are murder and rape.

When you commit suicide you effectively murder yourself. I believe God will forgive you, if you repent, but it is much harder to forgive yourself of this sin than you might think. Especially becasue after death time is not the same, and you can actually see the impact your suicide made on the people who care about you.

Heaven and Hell are not what people think they are. They are not, like, the good seating at a restaurant, and the tables near the kitchen. What would be the point of that? No, the good seats are achieved by doing good works here.
In Heaven, evil is judged. If it is judged to be incurable it is utterly wiped out. Made not only to not exist, but never to have existed.

Art. Like morality, consists of drawing a line.
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nancyannee
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Posted - 05/01/2007 :  06:13:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Anamater, that is the best explanation I have heard to date.

I really like how you managed to simply put something so profound. The hard part for the suicide victim is to forgive themselves.

Especially if you are aware of those you left behind and the turmoil your actions created.

Nancy
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Krish
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Posted - 05/05/2007 :  00:23:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Dear Anameter,

I agree with you that suicide is unforgivable sin. Even I have attempted suicide before. Those times i thought every door is closed for me and there is no hope and i lead myself into a tight closet and having made that there is no option left for me. Now i realize that that was only my misunderstanding and with little more knowledge and awareness there is a large hope in what i felt that time to be hopelessness. So it is such a great relative issue that i suggest everyperson to give some more time before take any hasty decision.

Regards,
Krish.
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Jetta
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Posted - 05/09/2007 :  15:52:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I'm curious about your creditials, also can you please define blasphemy for me? I don't want to commit it, and I really don't know what it means. I didn't realize it can only be committed in the last days. Good to know.
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Bruce Matthew
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Posted - 07/01/2007 :  19:22:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I am sorry, but the only unforgiveable sin is beleiving there is an unforgiveable sin. All things will be forgiven in time, but it takes time to heal all wounds.
For you to say that blasphemy is an unforgiveable sin, that is a sin!
There are people with terrible psychological problems who believe they are committing sins by merely thinking "bad thoughts."
And, what is this nonsense about the end of the world? This world will continue to exist for millenia.
Please don't use scare tactics about the hell mentally unwell people have created for themselves. Demons and such are an invention of the mind. If you see the devil, look in his eyes and you will see that he does not exist.
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curious george
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Posted - 02/24/2008 :  22:31:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I am tormented by the prospects of suicide not being forgivable, but that torment diminishes as I age. My brother committed suicide in 78 and my mother committed suicide 3 years ago. As for me I made a number of attempts myself. The last attempt put me in a coma for a number of days. I believe that the act of killing one's self is not like the act of wanting someone's life to end, but rather the result of a trick the mind plays on the soul that life is linear and that things will not get better. I have now come to realize that I did not wish to die, but rather wished for a change that I believed impossible. But what is impossible for me is not impossible for God, for with God all things are possible. Believing this makes me aware that real change in what ever situation I may find myself is not only possible, but rather probable. May God bless you always.
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Richards
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Posted - 05/21/2008 :  18:54:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Anamateur your remark;
"Heaven and Hell are not what people think they are. They are not, like, the good seating at a restaurant, and the tables near the kitchen. What would be the point of that? No, the good seats are achieved by doing good works here.
In Heaven, evil is judged. If it is judged to be incurable it is utterly wiped out. Made not only to not exist, but never to have existed"

By saying one is effectively wiped out then that is not so bad. My prior asumptions were that hell involved burning for an eternity with unendurable mindbending agony while knowing that the excruciating agony you are feeling will never ever end. Five trillion milliniums from now you will still be screeching in horrible agony with no end in sight. To be perfectly frank I beleive that is what helps keep many suicides from happenning since people do not want to leave the bad things on earth for even worse things in a life they cannot escape. If evil just blinks out does the suicidal person not acheive their aim by dying?
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Anamater
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Posted - 05/22/2008 :  02:25:45  Show Profile  Visit Anamater's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I am sad that misunderstandings are so easy on this subject. To answer a few of the questions brought up here,
Yes, the person who killed themselves may indeed be made to nbever exist, but it will not be immediate. Time is only linear in flesh. As for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, probably a lot of you were taught that this takes place when you say something nasty about God. Not so. This is a specific action that can only take place at a specific time, and involves refusing to do what the Spirit moves you to do. It is the only unforgivable sin, and it will not be committed by anyone.

Nothing l;asts forever. As you said, the world will exist through the mellineum, and beyond, but it will not be the world as we know it. Flesh and spirit will be made one again, and the spirit will take the physical form.

The last thing I want to address right now is the idea that God and Satan are purely the metaphors of our imagination. I am very sorry for you, if you really feel that way, because even if it is true, what good does it do to say of a metaphor that it is not an exact reality? If an apple tree exists in my yard, and I sit in it's shade without being burnt, and eat it's apples for a year and never starve, does it matter how many people tell me it does not exist? And in the face of the shade and nourishment, why should i listen to the opinion of people who gain nothing by being right? God exists, and evil exists, and even if they did not have real existence (I maintain that they do) then they would exist because the CONCEPTS shape lives. If you choose not to let them shape yours then I laugh at you as being one who pleads with thunderstorms while standing in the shower.

Art. Like morality, consists of drawing a line.
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Shawn6294
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Posted - 05/22/2008 :  21:01:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I read that Purgatory is a place where someone goes after they die who aren't good enough to just be let into heaven but not bad enough to be cast into hell. In Purgatory a person remains there and suffers for their sins for an amount of time and this suffering is soppose to wash away their sins and their soppose to atone for what they did and change their ways basically and then be allowed into heaven.

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Posted - 02/04/2010 :  11:57:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Everyone is forgiven, for we all do the best we can. And that is why we have very little evidence of divine intervention to stop the continuous mass murders of wars before the 'numbers' reach the thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions.

"Forgive them, for they know not what they do."I would like to be so presumptuous as to paraphrase this in my own understanding: Forgive them, for they have no control over what they do.

I believe that people with 'negative mental conditions' are in a position to understand this better than the lucky ones who are born with good temperaments, are treated well by their caretakers, and live in a time/place of peace when some army doesn't murder your family.

P.S. If you look at The Code of Ethics for posting on this website, one of the infractions is prostelitizing, or pretending that there is only one true religion - typically one's own, of course.
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